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DL: What would you say is the primary focus of your work?
SM: Well, my work has a few different levels of focus, depending on my audience. In the UFO/ET field, my primary focus is on the metaphysics of universal life and life on Earth, the spiritual basis of our current interaction, from the perspective of the elder extraterrestrials. This can get quite lofty, as you can imagine.
Basically, though, my goal is to bring a little more wisdom into the discussion of UFO sightings, ET contact, and global transformation. As in the title of my second book, "Universal Vision: Soul Evolution and the Cosmic Plan," my focus is on both the universal and our soul work within it.
DL: When you counsel or work with abductees, how do you feel your helping them?
SM: I generally don't work with a lot of abductees, because they just don't come my way too often. I've worked with some people over the years, and I'm happy to work with them, but unfortunately, I've found that a lot of the people who have had abductions aren't really ready, willing or able to take their lives into their own hands.
By this, I mean that I have found many people unsure if they want these experiences to end, even if they're highly traumatic. They're not necessarily willing to take the medicine offered.
In my latest book, I have an appendix which outlines the process of helping contactees and abductees. There, I define five levels of working: physical, emotional, mental, social and spiritual. Each one of those levels requires a certain kind of treatment.
At the physical level, there is the obvious need for medical intervention, if the person has sustained any kind of bodily injury. But, this is just the first-level of treatment, essential if needed, but insufficient to offer the true healing of mind and spirit.
The more important levels to address are the emotional, mental, social and spiritual considerations. I can address each one of them briefly here, although they're explained in more detail in my book.
At the emotional level, there is a pressing demand to help the person process the full range of their feelings, which can be quite complex and subtle. Generally, this is longest part of the work, since the abduction experience (what I would consider, "negative ET contact") touches on all sorts of deeper personal psychology -- from childhood wounds and the early relation to parents, to the basis of self-esteem, personal worth, and self-trust. The true abduction experience usually generates a torrent of strong emotions.
Basically, all of this relates to the confusion and helplessness associated with the experience of trauma and victimization. I find most people go through tremendous sorrow, self-pity, hopelessness, fear and rage -- and this is the starting place for all treatment. My work is to just comfort them and help them accept the intensity of their feelings.
The work here is to help the person understand that these feelings are normal, totally justified, not some mark of weakness or failure, and that it is OK and safe to feel those things. Of course, most of us have a fear of strong emotion, and no one likes to feel helpless or to be "out of control", so it can be quite hard to get through all the emotional layers of the experience.
When we get to the "Social" level, we consider the need for group support, and the recognition that the person is NOT alone -- that there are some people in the world who know what they're going through, and don't think they are crazy. Of course, we also consider the fact that they shouldn't try to share their experiences without having some sense that the other person can handle it.
But finding group support is important to offset the isolating effect of our society -- which basically disparages all paranormal experience. The same kind of conflict exists with people who've had ecstatic spiritual experience -- they find themselves more isolated from their peers. For a person who has been traumatized by negative ET contact, social reintegration of some sort can be a lifesaver.
After the physical, emotional, and social levels, we come to the final stages of the work, the treatment that I would consider mental and spiritual healing. These two are a bit more difficult, and they also happen to be my own specialty -- but because they are hard, and because most people don't get through the first three levels, not many people come my way. Actually, that's too bad.
I can't really get too far into these two areas, but I can say a couple of things here. Basically, in my understanding, each person who has a negative ET contact is responsible for that experience -- and by this I don't imply any blame, judgment, or criticism. Just like the man or woman who attracts an abusive partner, the person who has the violation-type of ET contact has usually, over a period of years prior to the event, made themselves vulnerable, mentally or spiritually. This too is not any type of blame, but in my understanding, the violation occurs due to the person being in an already weakened condition...
DL: And they may not be consciously aware that they are in some way, you feel, vulnerable to this?
SM: Yes, indeed. Generally, the person is not aware (before having the experience) that they are already in a wounded or damaged condition -- mentally, emotionally, or spiritually. In and of itself, this is not unusual, since American society equates personal strength with moral worth and self-value. Thus, we don't want to feel our weakness or wounding, because then we judge ourselves as inferior, or as being a failure or reject or loser. Most people are emotionally wounded in some way, and most of us don't want to feel it most of the time.
And so, we're taught to be strong and not weak, and that feeling weak, vulnerable or in pain, is morally reprehensible, a sign of moral inferiority. People feel ashamed -- not just in our culture, but all around the world -- to talk about their problems, to acknowledge their pain or sense of weakness. As we all have some wounding, the only difference between people is in the degree to which we've healed it.
In my understanding of metaphysics, there really are "higher dimensional" negatively-oriented souls -- whom I refer to as "negative ETs." They really do exist, whether we acknowledge them or not, and they are not products of our personal or collective psychology. I can assure you, negatively oriented ETs (and their collective groups) existed far before the first human beings ever walked on planet Earth.
So these entities are real, and they do have some access to humanity. In general, they prey upon the "weaker" among us, just like any predatory animal preys upon the weaker members of the tribe or herd. They pick on the ones that are in a condition least able to defend themselves. They are just like any schoolyard bully.
In the case of interdimensional negative attack, our basic defense is simply our state of mental and spiritual awareness, which is a product of personal psychology, and our degree of self-healing and self-integration. In this case, protection comes from true and deep self-love, self-empowerment, and the established willingness to face our fears, our feelings, and our wounding. This is called "taking care of ourselves." It isn't a moral issue at all, but rather, a spiritual one.
Now, I find that most people who have had negative ET contact, don't really want to hear that, and when they do, they take it as blame or criticism -- although it certainly is not. They don't really want to hear that the experience was not an accident, and that it was co-created by both sides.
To acknowledge that one has been in a seriously wounded condition doesn't mean we're bad, or that we're morally inferior. But it does mean acknowledging that the experience was co-created, just like any abusive relationship, and that we are responsible for it -- although we didn't consciously ask for it, of course.
DL: It's a funny thing, but we now live in a society that is more consciously open to the possibility that we co-create our reality. Yet, when it comes to researchers in the UFO community, or those who have had these experiences, it stops there. They may say it is true everywhere else in their life, yet it's not true when it comes to abduction. That's like saying that abduction or ET contact is somehow separate, or outside of how the universe seems to work.
SM: Well, I think that when we're talking about interdimensional matters, which are a stretch for most people, they just assume that all bets are off. But there ARE laws that govern interdimensional contact, and that's just a fact of metaphysics. It is well known in all mystic traditions, including even the Western one, but certainly in the Eastern traditions of Buddhism, Hinduism, and Sufism.
It's like there's a sort of screen applied to the interpretation of these multi-interdimensional contact experiences. The screen comes partly from our Judeo-Christian lineage, in which the sense of self and God are diametrically opposed. There is the notion that God is strong, the angels are great, and the demons are scary and human are weak and sinful. At the extreme end, there's the idea that we're just little worms, like little sinful human beings, needing some kind of mediation and grace to protect us from evil.
In the Christian tradition, there's the idea that we cannot be saved by "works," and that we can only be saved from some kind of "powerful other" coming to us, from outside the self. And so, this kind of negative, wounding spiritual experience touches on our deepest feelings of inadequacy -- emotionally, morally, personally. It strikes our latent sense of spiritual weakness, our sense of inferiority.
And so, people can't imagine that they've really co-created these experiences. They just feel like true victims. It's a tendency in mind, it's a pit that we all want to fall into, thinking that "I had nothing to do with this, and I really am helpless." People who have a stronger sense of self, and a sense of their true spiritual greatness, generally don't have the experience of negative ET contact. But again, it is not a moral issue, but simply, a matter of spiritual vulnerability, created by the way we think of ourselves, how well we care for ourselves, and how well we know our true spiritual omnipotence.
DL: So when you say that people co-created this, you're saying that they happened to be in a vulnerable situation, even though they may not realize they were, or consciously wanted to be? They were vulnerable or had evolved into a particular vulnerable, weakened situation, so in that sense they co-created it?
SM: Right. That's exactly what I'm saying. Of course, there are many different permutations of how someone could co-create the negative ET contact experience. The basic predisposing tendency, in my opinion, is some kind of significant self-mistrust, a lack of alignment with our true self. Although it may sound abstract, I don't think it really is.
By "self-mistrust" I'm referring to a condition of living outside true self-love and self-acceptance, not listening to our feelings, not acknowledging our needs and feelings. This leads to a weakened sense of self, as we compartmentalize, deny, repress, or ignore certain parts of ourselves. It leads to a condition of not understanding our true strength or goodness, not treating ourselves kindly and openly.
This is often related to childhood trauma, coming from a dysfunctional family, or from some type of abuse. Of course, all of this has past life correlates -- as reincarnation is the cornerstone of all metaphysics and understanding of soul growth. These preconditions of mind and psyche, involving a poor sense of self and old wounds, makes that person a prey to negatively-oriented abducting aliens.
Some people who work with abductees talk about past life agreements, or soul agreements that allowed the experience to happen. I think this kind of thing is true, but I think it also needs a little explanation, since it's not so simple, and it is not a case of self-punishment, or an angry God trying to punish us. In metaphysical terms, any child who is born into a dysfunctional family -- let's say, where the father beats the mother, the mother beats the child, or there's some type of physical abuse -- has made a soul agreement to be in that family. It is not at all meant as punishment, but there is a "karmic necessity" involved in the situation.
DL: Right
SM: From a metaphysical perspective, it's just called Karma. It can also be called "programmed catalyst," which means life experience programmed or planned from the level of Higher Self before the current incarnation began. It is the same process in which we allow anything to come into our field of life-experience, for a particular purpose.
But in the case of abduction, it is not exactly the same as the pre-incarnative programming that leads us to birth in a particular family, with a certain mix of parents and emotional conditions. I don't think that the Higher Self contacts some negative ETs and says, "OK, if you want to come abduct me, please do so because it will be good for my growth". It doesn't happen that way -- and this is the mistake people often make when talking about "past-life agreements" for abduction.
Although some New Age people don't seem to know it, I don't think that everything in our life is set up by Higher Self. People have a funny idea about that. I don't think that most people have soul agreements with abducting aliens, although it does happen sometimes when the person was involved in so-called black magic in previous lives, or when they actually are members of the same soul-group as the abducting alien. I have seen this sometimes, and I wrote about it in my book, From Elsewhere. This is rare, but it does happen.
In some cases, of course not all, the person who has been abducted has brought in with them what I would consider some pretty heavy karma from a past life. Sometimes, they themselves were abusers, even to the point where they had tortured others and had done serious soul-damage to others, what we'd consider real malevolence. Sad but true, some people do have this sort of karmic legacy -- and again, it is not sign of moral inferiority, since most elder souls have tasted the negative path, to some degree, in past lives.
But for this kind of person, in the present life they have a monkey on their back, and that monkey comes in the form of a negative ET. This is not the Higher Self sending some negative ET to deliver punishment, but simply the karma of getting back what they previously dished out, in a past life. Again, this is NOT intended as punishment, and from the level of Higher Self, it's just an experience that may catalyze a form of spiritual rebalancing -- a clearer choice of path: love or control.
As you can see, all of this is a bit esoteric, and I can't get into too much detail here. But this kind of discussion lies at the heart of the mental and spiritual levels of treatment for abductees, and obviously, not too many people are willing to think this way, and it takes a great deal of self-love and forgiveness to consider our responsibility for the abduction experience.
Again, I'm NOT saying that everyone who has had a violation-type ET contact was a torturer in a past life. Of course not! I'm only saying that there is often past-life karma involved, and that it may not be so "pretty." But again, many souls have played on "the left-hand path" in past lives, and it is not a mark of being an evil person, or anything like that.
So, there are many permutations of personal wounding, spiritual self-rejection, and karmic conditions that lead to human abduction. Some abductees are actually ET souls, although not in the common categories of Walk-in and Wanderer -- those coming from benevolent ET groups (and who rarely have negative ET contact, themselves).
In this category, the person who is abducted is actually an incarnated member of that same alien group, and they may have been sent here because they were low on the pecking order -- to take a human body and provide the needed genetics and tissue for that abducting group to use in some way.
Occasionally, the abductee is a "Wanderer", [further definition of a "Wanderer" will be given later in this interview] who is a pretty evolved, positively-oriented soul. When Wanderers get abducted, it is often because they've had some kind of emotional abuse in this lifetime, or because they want to do some type of spiritual service, although they are quite naive about it.
When a Wanderer brings in a negative contact, it usually doesn't last long, because they often get direct aid from other benevolent ETs and, in any case, their innate awareness of what's really good for them starts to kick in soon. The negative ET takes advantage of them simply because the person is naive, and wants to serve the universe, but is coming from a wounded and confused psyche.
I'm sure there are also lots of people who don't have any particular link to the abducting alien, nor such heavy karmic baggage, but are just in a mentally or spiritually weakened condition, and thus became easy prey for the alien contact.
DL: When we speak of this vulnerability or this weakened condition, what is there about that, whether it be physically, emotionally, psychically, or whatever, that allows some type of negative contact to take place, compared to the individual who is very centered, very confident about themselves? How would we even begin to define what the difference is? Is there something physical we can point to?
For example, many years ago I studied with a Qi Gong master who taught Qi Gong. One of the benefits to practicing Qi Gong, according to her and other master teachers, is that when the Qi [Chi] is unblocked and flowing throughout you and around you, that you are safe from negative influence. I'm wondering if there is something to our energy field being whole and healthy and strong, that actually doesn't allow a penetration to happen.
SM: Well, I basically agree with that, and what I'm saying about mental conditions -- be they karmic in origin, related to childhood abuse, or stemming from spiritual self-rejection -- is another way of saying the same thing. Talking about personal psychology on the one hand, and Qi or radiatory vital energy on the other, are two ways of approaching the same thing. Both point to the unified condition of body / mind / spirit, from the perspective of either energy or consciousness -- which are two words for the same thing.
The Chinese or Japanese systems of Qi are talking about self-integrity from the angle of subtle energies. In the Western systems of metaphysics, this is discussed in terms of the three energy fields of body, mind and spirit. These fields interpenetrate and influence each other constantly, and their integrity, strength, and quality depend on mental/spiritual conditions, first and foremost.
Thus, the dense physical body has it's own field, interpenetrated and surrounded by what is called the "etheric body," which is then sheathed by more subtle bodies: astral, mental, and higher dimensional. This relates to the seven chakras, and the quality of these energy fields depends on our mental/spiritual development.
Simply put, we've got the triad of body/mind/spirit energy fields, the quality of which is ultimately determined and created by the specific conditions of mind -- related, of course, to past life karma, our childhood experiences, and all life events.
And so, there are certain harmonious ways of thought and being which support the integrity, cohesion, and regularity of these energy fields, and that lead to protection from negative ET contact. This is the basis for meditation and all forms of virtue in service to others: they cohere and unify our body/mind/spirit system, and that moves us towards becoming impervious to negative aliens.
Of course, this relates to the chakras and basic spiritual growth, which leads to protection from harm. When we live with greater self-love and self-acceptance -- not blaming or hating ourselves, not controlling or repressing our emotional life, but instead, staying true to our honest experience (whatever it may be, happy or sad, kind or otherwise), then we move towards greater body/mind/spirit harmony and energy integration.
As many spiritual traditions teach, love is the greatest protection of all. When combined with true self-appreciation, self-faith and trust in our goodness, it also leads to freedom from negative ET contact. This type of work is the heart of the mental/spiritual work with abductees, but it can't come until we take responsibility for the experience. Taking responsibility is the first step, and if we don't stop there, it has the potential to unleash a great deal of true self-power -- and then we realize we can take the whole situation into our own hands.
At the higher levels of working, our improved self-love translates into kindness and openness towards others, real compassion that has the power to truly help others help themselves. From this harmony, which has a wonderful effect on the body/mind/spirit field, we can move to the next level of spiritual work, which centers around the development of what is called the "sixth chakra" at the forehead. From that level of chakra development, we move into a real sense of wholeness, innate perfection, completeness just as we are, and our boundless true nature.
DL: You're pointing at the third eye area.
SM: Right, the "sixth chakra" is in the area of the third eye. When this center is well developed, we realize that all things, including ourselves and negative aliens alike, are complete, whole, and perfect. This awareness, like the sixth center itself, is actually beyond what we call "love" -- although its fullest development requires love, or the quality of compassion that is associated with the fourth chakra.
When a person adds sixth center development to their already developed fourth chakra -- when you add a sense of true self-wholeness to basic kindness and self-acceptance -- then the harmonious vibration of love is greatly strengthened. This is pure spiritual work: adding self-power to true kindness and unconditional acceptance of all.
At this point, the person can develop a kind of energy crystallization that offers complete protection against negative ETs. Like a wall of light, the combined force of balanced love along with humble self-empowerment creates an energy field that repels negative ETs, and prevents all abduction. This doesn't exactly wall us off, but rather, creates a sort of crystallized, unified, regularized energy field, into which lower vibrations can't enter.
You have to remember, the level of spiritual development of our own Higher Self is far beyond that of negative, abducting aliens. They don't try to abduct the Higher Self, I am sure! They would merely perceive a radiant sphere of white light, and then depart.
The principle here is that certain vibrations cannot enter a highly unified, purified energy field without losing their distorted form. Doing this kind of spiritual work (beginning with self-responsibility, following up with balanced love and acceptance with wisdom, and then moving towards recognition of our wholeness and true boundless nature) creates a potent field of light. We can't see this with our physical eyes, but a higher dimensional being could perceive it, and negative ETs certainly can as well.
And this is just the point: any entity which enters the field must have a comparable vibration, or else it just can't get in. And if it did get in, it would simply turn white -- which means, become resonant with the vibration of the field, in this case, with love-based power.
Literally, this is repellant and repugnant to negative ETs, and they would lose their energetic integrity as ensouled beings should they try to enter. As they seek to maintain their own conditions of distortion (which is their choice: living without love, and willfully ignorant of true Unity, the Law of One) they just wouldn't enter the field. And thus, love-based self-appreciation with wisdom is the true protection, which is totally available to all of us, always.
DL: So you're saying it's not compatible in terms of frequency or vibration.
SM: Yes, the energy fields don't resonate, and ultimately, the energy field of someone who is spiritually self-integrated is repellant to the negative ET, who basically can't enter, and would find that they'd lose their integrity should they enter.
And so, if the negative ET tries to enter the energy field of a person who has great love and power, the alien would lose their sense of individuality. This is one way of putting it, although I am not totally sure of the process, and there are many ways of saying it.
So the person, who is filled with thoughts of self-judgement, hatred or self-condemnation, in the sense of having massive feelings of insecurity, inadequacy, inferiority, depression, sorrows, and self-pity, basically has a collapsed or porous energy field condition. This is the way their body / mind / spirit field would appear to the ET.
Of course, all of this comes from their conditions of mind, which in turn influences their immunity or immune system, as well as their overall Qi vitality. If we think the thoughts of self-condemnation, then our immune system weakens. This is also related to the chakras, as our immune system is connected to the thymus, and the thymus is the endocrine gland related to the heart chakra. And so, self-love has a beneficial effect on the heart, and self-rejection, a negative effect.
DL: There's a situation too, and I've seen this in my own support groups, a frustrating position for many abductees, that while they may be complaining that the experience is traumatic or that they are frightened, there's a part of them that is mystified by it. I've asked many, "If you could go back and you could change all of this, and never have had this experience, would you, and why or why not?"
Many of them say that they believe they have evolved to become who they are today because of their experiences. They often go on to share they have become better because of it, or it has expanded their sense of themselves and their part in this reality. And the frustrating position for them is that there's a part of them that doesn't want to let go of it yet, because they want to understand it, and it is as though their curiosity is fostering a continuation of the experiences. So there's something important here about their choices, as to whether they want the continuation of these experiences or not, and all that goes with that.
SM: Yes, it is a very delicate issue. Overall, I think the first thing the person has to determine what is the intention or agenda of the initiating agent, the ET. That can certainly be determined, and without too much difficulty, if we listen to our heart. The rule here is so simple that many people can't get it: if it felt uplifting, inspiring, and kind, then the ET intention is positive, for our betterment. On the other hand, if we feel violated, disoriented, and traumatized, then it was likely a negative contact. To me, this is kind of simple.
If you can't clearly determine the ET intention, and if you don't hold that foremost in the discussion, then you really don't know what you're getting -- whether or not you can turn the experience to your advantage, and grow through your personal efforts at self-healing.
DL: Or what you're dealing with.
SM: Yes, you don't really know what you're dealing with. You may never know fully what you're dealing with, but as long as you have a basic sense of their intentions are, you can know whether it's in your best interests to continue the interaction. In dealing with genuine negative ET contact (not the human type, which is another story), it is ultimately our choice if we wish to continue or not.
It is like the case of a woman who has been raped, and then says, "Well, I've learned a lot from this experience, because I've become more self-reliant, more self-confident, or developed the firm faith that I can survive anything". But that was her work, and was not the intention of the rapist. And so, if she calls that experience back again, that's called being self-destructive.
Likewise, you really cannot change the intentions of alien groups. They're clearly polarized, and I assure you, they're not wondering about good or evil, as they're fully aware of which path they're following. If indeed the contact is coming from a negative group with malevolent intent, no matter how much processing you do, if you still seek to continue it, you'll still get abused and taken advantage of.
I think that if people don't clearly determine the polarity of the contact (malevolent or benevolent), first and foremost, they could be putting themselves into great harm if they willfully continue it.
DL: And how do you suggest they determine the polarity of either being benevolent or malevolent?
SM: Frankly, you just need to be pretty damn straight with yourself about the nature of the experience. Honestly, it's really quite simple. If someone here on Earth pulled you out of bed, threw you around, put probes or needles into you, and confounds you in a thousand ways, you'd simply consider the person evil, call the police, or try to stay away from them. It is only our mental complexity, self-doubt, and legacy of religious self-denial that makes us think otherwise when the agent of the experience is an ET. Let's be clear: they're not all benevolent!
I mean, there's no true spiritual teacher alive that would do that to people! To lay people down on tables, put objects into them, disorient them and freak them out is not a sign of a positive contact. As I sometimes say to those who wonder about it, if that is the way of positive ET contact, then what in the world would qualify for a negative contact? How much worse must it get?
DL: And you never see that in angelic visitations or encounters.
SM: Right. This kind of experience never happens in such inspiring encounters, nor in the typical near-death "white light greeting," nor does it come from any human spiritual teacher. It just doesn't happen.
So, some people then say "Oh well, we can't apply our standards to theirs." Well, you know what, we can! That type of thinking is just false, as far as I know, and my own ET contacts go. I've met entities that I'd consider benevolent, and I've met those that I'd consider malevolent, and there's a world of difference between them.
Truth be told, the positive contacts I've had were near-beatific, and I'm not exaggerating. And on the converse, the few direct encounters I'd had with negative entities left me shaken, and shaking my head that a soul could be so evil, so horrible.
I really think that it's BS to dismiss our standards, and as you might expect, it comes from self-denial and an unwillingness to simply trust our feelings. I think it's a cop-out, and a pretty serious distortion to dismiss our feelings of terror and abhorrence.
If people don't want to acknowledge that they've been had, that they've been used and violated, it's easy to say, "Oh, I don't know anything, I guess they really care about me." But it goes against the heart, which is in pain and fear, and certainly doesn't want any more of this kind of experience.
I think a lot of people are afraid to say, "Yes, I've been traumatized, and I was basically violated." I think it's just another case of people not wanting to acknowledge their weakness, and the fact that they just couldn't say no, no matter how much they wanted to get away. However, if the person truly acknowledges their weakness and responsibility for co-creating the experience, then in my eyes (and in terms of their energy field and spiritual growth), it's an act of tremendous power and strength. If the person continues along that line, without blaming themselves and moving towards self-forgiveness, then it has the power to repel the negative ET in the future.
The first step to empowerment then is to acknowledge one's weakness. If the person can say, "Yes I was weak; yes, I made a mistake; I was lonely for some kind of spiritual contact, and it filled an empty space in my heart," then that's a self-empowering realization.
And by the way, this touches on one reason why many people want the negative contact to continue -- because not only are they trying to grow and learn from it (which is to their credit, not to the ET's intentions), but it fills a kind of emotional void within them.
And so, a lot of abductees don't want to terminate their contacts, no matter how abusive they are, how many scars are left on their body and soul, nor how confused or disoriented their life becomes. In the end, some people just feel "special" to be receiving such "higher power attention." Perhaps they feel important and specially chosen for this amazing contact (which is often what they're told, as well).
In such a case, they may reason that if some ET race with so much power, so far "advanced" beyond mere mortals, comes down to interact with them directly, then it must mean that they're special, and it would be hubris to reject them. Honestly, I think that this is just one derivative of insufficient self-trust, faith, and self-empowerment. If they were treated this way by another human, their reaction would be far less accommodating. I think it's wisdom to hold ETs to the same standards that we hold other humans. In fact, we really need to hold them to even higher standards, since they DO know what they're doing.
DL: Now you're being very honest with what you feel, but you know you're going to get a lot of flack from people who are going to disagree with that.
SM: That's ok ...
DL: A lot of abductees would say, "No way, do I want this!"
SM: Well, I would say, if you don't want it, then you can certainly do the work of self-development, moving yourself towards your true power, and the abductions will stop. This would mean doing things like meditation and serious spiritual practices, using mantras, practicing some form of real white magic, and doing these various forms of blending divine power with love -- and thus re-forming your own body/mind/spirit energy system.
DL: This may possibly explain too why we don't hear about abduction in the physical, typical sense, in the worlds of various spiritually evolved people and circles. For example, I've asked a variety of spiritually oriented people, from Brahmans, to priests and the response is very interesting. Unless they are in high denial, or don't talk about it, or misunderstand it and report it as something that's demonic, they're not recording or talking about having these experiences.
SM: Right. Again, I think that we can say that our condition of consciousness determines our personal energy field; the total energy system of self is determined by our mental/spiritual consciousness. Each of us manifests more or less love, more or less wisdom, in more or less balance, with some varying degree of access to our true power.
In the various mystic traditions, you can expect that they've done some spiritual work, generally through their meditation practices. In essence, these practices are for the personal development of love, wisdom and awareness of unity, self-completion. And, that work ultimately makes them invulnerable and not subject to negative ET abduction. While they still have personal distortions, at least they are no longer vulnerable to direct attack.
As to the people who've already had negative attack, again, there is a strong tendency to dismiss the fact that they've been violated, and unfortunately, this sets up an energy blockage that prevents true self-empowerment. We can never access our true spiritual power if we continue to blame others for the quality of our experiences...
DL: A little while ago we touched on the theory or thinking that people are experiencing these encounters as traumatic because they simply don't understand these "beings". And one of the old popular analogies that has been used for years is that if you were to take an animal or pet to the veterinarians...
SM: Yes, this notion I'm quite familiar with...
DL: ...they're being given shots, etc., and that it's all for their good, and that the animals consciousness can't comprehend the consciousness or intent of the doctors. And further, if you could ask the cat or the dog whether they like the experience, they would of course say that they don't, that they hate it, and that they are probably quite scared. Furthermore, if capable, they would most likely think, "This can't be positive or good because it hurts and they didn't ask for it".
SM: Right, the idea is that it's really for their own good and that they [the aliens] know better than the humans as to what we need.
DL: Right exactly.
SM: Yes, I think that's really a lie, and just another piece of alien disinformation, keeping the abductee willing and subservient. Obviously, it also stems from, supports, and furthers the person's denial of self-responsibility, their existing sense of powerlessness, and their continued subjugation by the alien.
In the RA Material [see end of article for clarification of RA material], they stated in no uncertain terms that one of the main purposes of negative ET contact is to make the person feel like a helpless animal. The line of thinking here is that "they" know better than us what we need; they're only trying to help us; and if you feel traumatized and frightened, it's really your own fault since you just don't understand what's good for you. To me, this is a perfect apology, rationalization, and false justification for continued violation. It's a perfect, clear example of negative reasoning and mind control. You can see this type of reasoning employed by many human organizations that basically exist to control people in a top-down fashion.
On the other side of ET contact, we find that the primary work of benevolent extraterrestrials is to help people without infringing on their own free will. The positive ET groups will never force anyone to do or think anything beyond our own consciously chosen free will.
But on Earth, and especially in Western culture, people don't really trust themselves. And with this type of reasoning -- that you are just like an animal who doesn't know any better -- people make themselves totally disempowered. It's pitiful to me to see people argue for this position; it's like saying, "I don't know anything."
You know, from the metaphysical perspective (shared by all ageless wisdom and all mystic traditions the world over), the human being is no less than God. At essence, we are infinite beings, no less that the ETs who have all sorts of high technology and magic powers. In fact, our true nature (identified as what is called, "Higher Self," a relatively enlightened being in its own right) is far beyond the level of soul development of all the negative ETs.
At some level, they actually know this -- just like the elements of our corrupt, self-serving human leadership that don't want the masses to know that they could be in the driver's seat, if they would only wake up and get together. Abducting aliens want you to feel like you're an animal, to keep people disempowered and estranged from their true self-power and glory. This is plain and simple.
By people arguing in favor of their ignorance, they basically perpetuate their own inferiority and weakness, and get further preyed upon. Hey, if the ET contact experience feels really bad, it's probably because it was meant to hurt you. Any other reasoning comes from tortured logic -- which just happens to be the logic of torturers.
In essence, humans are completely on the same level as the ETs. In terms of our soul consciousness, our integrity as spiritually created beings, we are are powerful as any ET group, positive or negative. And so, this kind of argument just perpetuates human inferiority and allows negative ETs to keep on doing their work. Equating ourselves with tagged arctic seals, and injured children rushed to the Emergency Room, is just a form of self-degradation, and maintains human confusion.
DL: Here's a situation that happens many times. Abductees begin to process their experiences. And in that processing, many become stronger or gather more courage to confront their abductors. Many attempt to develop a relationship with these "beings", to become more self-assertive, and share that they have been able to establish a communicable relationship with these "beings".
They share they are more assertive in what they want done to themselves, or not done to themselves, and in that process they claim, at some point, the nature of these experiences changes, or evolves and becomes more of a neutral or even positive relationship. At the least, they suggest the playing field is more leveled, and that they are treated with more respect. What would you say about that, that this is an illusion?
SM: Well, if the experience originates from a truly negative ET group, then they're just fooling themselves. The thing is this: positive and negative orientations -- which you could contrast as "the power or love, as opposed to the love of power" -- are clearly demarcated in higher dimensions. ET groups know perfectly well what they're doing, and they are not so foolish as to not understand the emotions of terror and fear, as well as joy and caring rapport.
Now, if people don't believe that, they should really consider this point, and see where they stand. If you think that all the ET groups are benevolent, then just throw away everything I'm saying, because this notion of the objective existence of cosmic polarity -- commonly called good and evil -- lies at the heart of all that I'm saying. And by the way, the idea of cosmic polarity is shared by all religions and mystic traditions that I know of, all over the world and for all times.
If someone wants to think that the ETs are just as confused as we are, or that their notions of morality are just as fuzzy as ours, then they should just drop everything that I'm saying, and offer themselves to all forms of alien contact, since they've already given up their own will to choose.
Everything that I'm saying comes from my own experiences, from my study of metaphysics and world religion, from my own contacts and my own work with others. All of it supports the contention that higher dimensions are polarized, and there really are benevolent and malevolent ET groups in the universe. Honestly, this is a given to all cultures that have any experience with "spirits" and non-physical entities. It's only our scientifically based, rational-material, Judeo-Christian cultures that stand in opposition, as well as some New Age folks who are afraid of their own shadow.
So, once a negative ET, always a negative ET -- generally, although not always. There are some negative ETs that "cross over" to the positive path, but I can assure you they are not abducting humans to learn how to love from us!
Likewise, once a person is consciously, deliberately, willfully on the path of "service to self," they generally don't change their path. It is folly to imagine likewise, although there are many naive spiritual folks around who don't really understand the ways of evil, and imagine that their healing can make everyone peace-loving. Sad but true, I think that is a mistaken, childish hope.
If a truly malevolent, non-benevolent source makes contact with a human being, I can assure you they have no intention of trying to learn love and respect from you. If they really wanted to cross over, they'd go to a higher dimensional, benevolent ET group, or a human adept on the path of service to others, since they'd be the best ones to help.
Basically, if a non-benevolent ET contacts a human being, it's simply because they want to use you for some purpose -- it's quite silly for us to think that we can heal them, change them, or liberate them. Nor are they going to be healed or saved because you, yourself get some little bit of greater self-awareness, through your own processing of the trauma.
If the ET says that he or she "needs" us for some grand mission, most likely they're just conning you! Positive ET groups don't really "need" us, but they do hope we can help ourselves and serve humanity and the planet in love. That's their only "need."
So if the abducting ET is truly negatively oriented, and you "make a better relationship with them," then maybe you will become a more cooperative slave, or maybe they'll put you at the top of the pecking order, or they'll make your cage a little nicer, or maybe, if you really get spun around, you can join them in the work of fooling other ignorant humans. But in the end, if their intentions are negative to begin with, that won't change, no matter how much you process your own experience and get beyond your fear and terror.
And this is just the same as it is on Earth. You can fight the powers that be, make peace with their existence and force, or cooperate with them willingly on the same side. But whatever your response, those powers maintain their own agenda. And their agenda comes directly from their own self-chosen path, which is called "service to self." Just because you can make lemonade, doesn't mean that the lemon isn't sour.
DL: So you're saying, that some abductees, who have had negative experiences are just making the best of an experience.
SM: Right, people can make the best of a malevolent or traumatic violation type experience, and that is to their credit, definitely. But, that doesn't change their abductor's intention one whit. If people were more comfortable resting in their own self-power, and were not so fixated on looking outside themselves for direction, they'd see this quite simply. What we do with our own experience does not determine the intentions of the other party involved. Their intentions are as they are, and what we do with it is of our own making.
DL: In your book, you frequently speak of "ET souls", "old souls", "Wanderers", for our readers, can you define the definitions of these terms? And you refer to yourself as a "Wanderer", or "ET soul".
SM: Right. Well, I haven't used the term, "old soul," too much, but since a lot of other people use it, I've added to my teaching vocabulary. Basically, I use these terms, "old soul", "ET soul", and "Wanderer" synonymously.
An old soul is a soul who has been reincarnating longer than most other human souls on Earth. This means that their path of evolution is longer than the average person on this planet. That puts them in the category, ultimately, of a "higher-dimensional soul," meaning they're no longer native to third dimensional life.
What I call "third-dimensional life" includes the physical world we see in front of us, which in metaphysical terms is associated with the third chakra, which expresses the state of consciousness that precedes love, and doesn't yet "have" love. This sounds a bit abstract, but I can explain it.
The condition of awareness of the third chakra, or third center, concerns the qualities of individuality, and normal personality integration: physical, emotional and mental. This is what is called, the "integrated personality." It is actually an ageless wisdom term for self-consciousness. It is awareness which includes a conscious sense of selfhood, which is not the case with all living beings.
For example, the animals are conscious, but they are not fully self-conscious. Cats and dogs, whales and dolphins may be a different matter, but most animals don't have a particularly developed sense of personal selfhood. In distinction, human souls are self-conscious, with a mind that can think, "Me and mine," but that's not a particularly advanced stage of evolution either.
The next step beyond this is the fourth center, fourth dimension, and that level expresses love and polarized choice. The old souls I'm talking about, using the term "Wanderers", are those who are usually coming from fourth and sixth dimensions. Meaning, they're a little older, or a whole lot older than the majority of the souls on Earth.
So, a sixth dimension soul is far beyond the sense of common self-identification, but rather, lives in a state of formless unity with the entire manifest creation. At that level of being, there is no longer any sense that anything outside the self is other than the self. The age of these souls is, literally, a few billion years older than the majority of the souls on Earth.
So that's what a Wanderer is: a soul who has been reincarnating longer than most human souls, one who is old. They're basically positive, and come to Earth in love, seeking to serve others. There are maybe eighty million Wanderers or ET souls on Earth.
When some psychic or sensitive says, "You're an old soul", it's generally means that you're a Wanderer. It also means that the person does not need to be on Earth for their spiritual learning, that they've chosen voluntarily to be here for accelerated learning and service to others, but they're real nature belongs to another group, another dimension, and generally, another solar system.
DL: When you speak of ET souls, for some people they may interpret it as meaning that in another incarnation they lived on another type of physical planet, other than Earth, as a very different manifestation than human. Is that to what you are referring to also?
SM: Yes, it's the same thing. Here we're talking about inter-planetary, inter-dimensional, inter-systemic reincarnation. In this sense, I'm using the word, "systemic," to mean solar system. Generally, the Wanderers or old souls now on Earth came from other dimensions and other soul groups before coming here.
Some Wanderers have been here for 25,000 years, some for 5,000, or 2,000 or some just for 50 or 100 years. When they die, if they're not going to continue with Earth, most of them won't -- they will just go back to those other groups and take a different body, in a different civilization. And some of them would be in no body, because they are beyond the level of all material form.
DL: As you look back at your own life, when did you begin to believe or feel that you were a Wanderer?
SM: When I was in high school, I was very much into science fiction, which is a common trait of ET souls, but that didn't have anything to do with my awakening to being a Wanderer. When I was studying Buddhism and practicing meditation ardently in my twenties, that also had nothing to do with my awareness of being an ET or ET soul, although it was certainly laying the foundation for my later self-understanding.
My concrete awareness of being a Wanderer started in my middle twenties with extensive out-of-body experiences, both conscious and semi-conscious, where I met extraterrestrial beings, or beings from soul groups not associated with Earth. After a few of these, it became quite clear to me that I have an identity with them.
This recognition also built upon years of intensive meditation, working to develop my intuition in consonance with spiritual study (such as the RA Material), and from my feelings from childhood of not fitting in or feeling at home in this society. But in the end, this kind of recognition is simply a form of subjective knowing. That is the only way someone can come to this conclusion, even if they have some kind of a paranormal experience. In the end, it comes down to personal, subjective knowing, and self-validation, and that is easier for some people than others.
DL: So, growing up as a child, if you were to look at your childhood, you don't think it was particularly different, or you didn't look at yourself as not fitting in, or feeling unique from other children?
SM: Well, when I was growing up, I was pretty alone because I was an only child, and my father died when I was really young. So, there was just me and my mother from the age of five until fourteen when she got remarried. I always had a sense of being alone and being different. I don't know if I even articulated it at the time as a feeling of being "different", but I just didn't fit in and didn't even fully want to fit in to my peer groups.
I really just went my own way -- which is a pattern that's continued ever since! That too is a common characteristic of Wanderers, a sense of not belonging, feeling alienation. So, I guess that was an early indication, but it didn't really develop into any conscious ET self-understanding until I did a lot of metaphysical study, deepening meditation, and an extensive series of out-of-body experiences in my twenties. Then it became very clear, and today, it's no big deal!
DL: You have created what you call "The ET Questionnaire", which is a list of questions you have compiled which seems to reflect the common emotional and spiritual traits of Wanderer's or ET souls. With your permission, I'd like to share that questionnaire with my readers.
SM: Oh, yes sure. You can take it from my book or my website.
DL: You speak of being and ET soul or Wanderering, how would you describe the types of contact experiences you have had? Have any been fully physical at any time, or have most of them been in out-of-body or meditative states?
SM: Oh, most of them have been meditative and out-of-body. I don't think I've had any direct physical contact. I've had synchronicities, but no direct physical contact. It is said in the RA Material, and I think it seems to be true, that subjective contacts are generally positive, and the physical type contacts are negative, because negative ET's sort of work more in the physical, and they often want to "prove" their existence to get their way with, or should I say, "over" people.
One of my clearest experiences was when I was working with the Robert Monroe "hemi-sync" technologies. I had a very clear experience of raising up out of my body, meeting my group in tremendous love and familiarity, and getting some information from that experience that revealed my identity with that group. This is actually a classic form of "Wanderer activation" or awakening experience, for just this purpose.
DL: A lot of UFO researchers and therapists out there in the field have a very polarized view of the nature of these "beings" that are visiting Earth. One view is that they are all negative, or in more rare cases that they are all positive or benign. It seems to be one viewpoint, versus the other viewpoint, certainly not much in between. What is your take on the percentage of negative versus positive extraterrestrials that are visiting us, and what do you base that on?
SM: Well, first of all, I have an idea about the number or percentage of positive and negatively oriented extraterrestrials universally. That's based on a figure from the RA Material, which I trust deeply because of my years of working with the material, teaching others, and seeing how it fits personal and collective experience.
They say that ninety percent of the beings in the universe are on the path of love, also called the "path of service to others." Ten percent follow what is called the "path of service to self." But, I think the balance of positive / negative contact for Earth humanity is certainly not ninety/ten in the favor of the positive. Of course, the negative contacts get more press, and they are more sensational and people talk about them more, which leads to an artificial inflation of the sample, a skewing of the sample.
What we hear about, is also not necessarily reflective of all that is happening globally, in terms of ET contact. It's only a skewed selection of what is taking place. So, what we hear about seems to be the converse, or ninety-ten in terms of negative to positive. What may actually be happening, worldwide, may be closer to fifty/fifty, but we just don't know for sure.
If some Egyptian farmer gets a vision of a benevolent spiritual being out in the middle of his field, he probably won't go running to the newspapers or TV stations, and it won't make the the six o'clock news, or some kind of "Sightings" program. But, if people have negative contacts or something really traumatic, that's when they make videos or make sell the rights to major motion pictures.
So, I really couldn't say what the percentage of positive / negative contact on Earth really is. I think it is important that researchers do have a polarized view, but only if it is inclusive. A polarized view, meaning there are truly positive ETs, and there are truly negative ETs, would be quite helpful, and I think that is truly the way it is in the Universe.
I also don't think we should be afraid to use the terms "positive and negative," because we can speak that way and still realize and know that everything is the Creator, everything is God, everything is held in most perfect love and Divine Order. If you want to be wholistic and unified, I can do that, but in time and space, we do see that souls have clearly polarized intentions. And more so, the extraterrestrials have obviously polarized intentions. So I think we need a balanced and inclusive view, that acknowledges both unity and polarity.
DL: You have stated in your book, that many modern therapists feel it is their duty to "fix and correct" those with whom they work. However, you caution, and I agree with you on this, that nowhere is this attitude potentially more destructive than with contactees and abductees. Would you amplify this a bit more?
SM: In that statement, I'm referring to two different categories of counselors or therapists who want to fix, change and correct their clients. The first category are those professionals who actually don't believe in the metaphysics of what the client is presenting. They don't believe that there are such things as objective aliens, or any such thing as inter-dimensional contact.
DL: That the person is having delusions or that there is some other explanation....
SM: Right, so this kind of therapist takes the psychopathological orientation to their interpretation and treatment, and they basically try to dissuade the person out of their "false beliefs." Now, that seems to be such an elementary mistake on the therapist's side, that it might even seem foolish and a waste of time to talk about it -- at least among those of us who believe in spiritual reality -- but I think this orientation probably dominates the orthodox treatment of ET contact issues, and as you know, spiritual healers are in the minority!
DL: Oh sure, abductees get this all the time. They don't even feel that they can tell their therapist this, for fear of being thought crazy.
SM: And that's because psychology is bound by the rational, material, empirical paradigm. Psychology is sort of the struggling poor brother of medicine, trying to be a credible science, when actually it's not quite possible, since so much of the domain of psychology includes the intangible phenomena of mind. Ultimately, mind-experience is deeply related to metaphysics, and includes all the familiar issues such as past life karmic influences, inter-dimensional contact, the plans of Higher Self, the non-rational intuition and subjective knowing -- all of which can't be addressed by only looking at childhood events.
DL: So a therapist that is trained in metaphysics and understanding of these dimensions of the mind, or the experiences which we are capable of having, wouldn't be coming from a "let's fix this problem" viewpoint.
SM: Right, I think not. Unfortunately, it's very rare to find someone who is clinically well trained in a psychology or counseling program, having a Masters or Ph.D. degree, and also coming from a strong metaphysical background.
People in metaphysics don't generally care about psychology, because they think it's backwards, which it certainly is in many ways. And the people who are found in orthodox, mainstream psychology -- who may actually be excellent therapists when it comes to normal kinds of issues, the issues of this life and this world -- these people usually think that metaphysics is just hokey-pokey, woo-woo, a product of the imagination, or just plain irrelevant.
I think that a counselor who has an appreciation for both psycho-dynamics, as well as familiarity with metaphysical principles and the way of Mind and inter-dimensional contact, would certainly try to work with the person's emotional process, and then help them frame it cognitively -- which any good therapist would also do. At the same time, I think they would also help the person look at their own belief system, and their own mental, spiritual, and karmic patterns that allowed the contact to happen in the first place.
So, there would be an intervention that included some measure of "fixing, correcting, or changing" the person's habitual patterns, but without any kind of attempt to dissuade them of their beliefs, or dismiss the potential objective reality of the metaphysics involved. The counselor would not be trying to rid the client of any notions, but rather, help them formulate understanding, and a plan of action, based on a deeper comprehension of what's been happening. As I said before, all levels of the experience need to be considered, beginning with the psychological and the emotional, but also including the spiritual.
But again, many people have had traumatic contact and are unable to address it fully, and in many cases, they'd rather not try to terminate it. They are willing to let it go on and on, because they really think they are gaining from it. And as I've said before, the person may well be gaining some kind of personal development through their own work in trying to heal themselves in the aftermath, but I don't see that there is a lot to gain from maintaining an abusive relationship. And if an abductee remains with an invalidating therapist, then the abuse will only get worse. That's probably the worst-case scenario.
DL: And in some cases, it becomes part of their identity. For instance, a person who comes from a dysfunctional family, or a woman who is repetitively beaten by her husband, this often becomes part of the identity of who they think they are, and even though they know that it hurts, it's very hard for them to break away from that.
SM: Right, I totally agree.
DL: So a lot of times we do things in our lives, or continue patterns which are destructive, because they're familiar.
SM: They're familiar, and they also give us a kind of emotional security because of the familiarity. There can also be a sense of the comfort of the known, which provides psychological meaning and a sense of structure and cognitive safety.
Furthermore, the person may not feel so alone because they're in a relationship. It may be a dysfunctional or abusive relationship, but it is a real relationship. At least, they're not in the destitute position of solitude or total isolation. Yes, a lot of people want to continue the experience, because they imagine they would feel worse without it.
DL: I want to say something here too, in defense of "other" kinds of contact. The intention is not to trash the "visitor" experience and say that it is all negative, awful and bad, but to try and help our readers understand the nature of their experiences, what they can do to change what is not desirable, and at the same time remind the public that there are other types of positive or beneficial contact that are taking place.
It has been my understanding that "beings" which are more positive or evolved in nature, don't interfere with the direction of our planet or our lives, more like the popular concept of the "prime directive", reflected in the television series of Star Trek.
SM: Right, and this touches upon a core point.
The primary difference between positive and negative ET groups is that positive beings willingly and freely follow the conscious free will of the individual. They basically acknowledge free will as their guiding principle, and would never willingly infringe on that.
As I've mentioned before, I can't really say if the majority of ET contacts on the planet are positive or negative. One thing that RA said, which is an interesting statement, which I can't affirm, but I just remember and keep in mind, is that the only people who are getting direct one-to-one contacts from benevolent ETs are the Wanderers.
Now there are only about sixty to eighty million Wanderers on the planet, and only about ten percent of them are awake. So, maybe there have been five to ten million positive contacts in the last thirty years. Again, these are one to one, inspiring, uplifting, meaningful, respectful, non-traumatic, understandable and extremely beneficent type contacts. These often happen in dreams at night, or in visions. But, it is not to be expected that the people who are getting these contacts would be likely to go around telling too many people about them, because they are quite personal, intimate, and also, not at all upsetting.
DL: So it sounds like you are suggesting that there are very few people, or a small percentage on the planet who are actually experiencing these more beneficent type contacts?
SM: Well, I think the numbers of people who've had direct positive contact may not be so small, if they are in the millions, but the contacts are quite subjective and personal. And these people won't generally talk about, because it's not confusing. They may not know exactly what it is, but it's not traumatic. Actually, these are the kind of people who often come my way, and almost universally, I find that they've shared this experience with hardly anyone before me.
DL: They are not the one's who are publicly coming forward to the therapists. It is only the one's who are traumatized and it is distorting the "visitor" presence.
SM: Right, and so, the contactee sample is skewed. In statistics, this would be called "a sampling bias." Only a certain population of contactees come forward to report their experiences, and these are often the people who've had what I would call "negative contact."
DL: There have been some pretty amazing sighting reports of UFO's in the last few years, such as the massive UFO flap which is still going on over Mexico, and then there were the sightings over Phoenix, and many others. This may be a difficult question to ask you, but I feel it's important, particularly with your strong feelings about the importance of non-interference. What percentage of sightings or UFO flaps do you feel are originating from positive versus more negatively oriented "beings"?
SM: Well, there are some interesting things to say about this. Number one, there are two basic categories for the origins of genuine UFOs: human and non-human. In terms of any claimed UFO sighting, the person is either having a genuine perception of a ship, or they are just hallucinating, or mistaking it for a natural phenomenon, as may happen.
DL: Or they're not seeing it correctly.
SM: Yes, either they do see something, or they think they do. I would say that in most of the cases of ships seen, there really is something there (made on Earth or truly beyond the planet). Honestly, I don't really think there are too many hoaxes, because I just don't think that too many people are actually that devious.
DL: Most are certainly not purposely hoaxing, but genuinely feeling that they saw something they cannot explain.
SM: Yes. It can certainly be a misperception, a misidentification or some type of mistake. How often that occurs, I certainly can't say.
But then we have to address the two other categories of genuine UFO flap sightings: human-made UFOs and alien. It may come as a shock to some people, but according to my own understanding, my experiences and work with clients, and my reading of metaphysics, the majority if not the entirety of UFO flap sightings come from negative ETs.
Why? Because, again, positive extraterrestrials deeply and implicitly follow the law of free will. And so they would never appear en masse to a group of people -- because in all such randomly selected groups, like the population of any city, most of the viewers don't really want to have that experience!
In the RA material, they state in no uncertain terms that most UFO flaps are the result of holes or windows in a sort of quarantined energy field around the Earth. The negative ETs then take advantage of these holes, and they don't mind coming in with all their brothers who just fly in along with them, and basically freak-out the majority of the people who are not prepared.
The basic effect of flaps on most people is certainly negative, and not an aid to their spiritual awakening (no matter what some idealistic channels may say), in the sense that it creates fear and confusion for those unprepared for it.
DL: So, in your opinion, this violation of the prime directive, or violation of our free will, would include the massive sightings which took place in areas such as Mexico and Phoenix?
SM: Right. In my understanding, the Phoenix lights, the Mexico City sightings, or those in South Africa or the flaps in many other places, are almost all coming from negative extraterrestrials who basically don't mind infringing on the free will of the human population, the majority of whom have no way to correctly, and usefully interpret the experience. In my opinion, the only other source of UFO flaps is that portion of those black-budget agencies that have similar technology.
In terms of this, I think there's been a program in place for many years, well-established and well-funded, developed by certain military-intelligence agencies that themselves have extraterrestrial type craft or UFOs. When they appear in flaps, which I'm sure they do sometimes, they just want to gauge public opinion, or condition the population in some way. But I can't say which flap came from negative ETs who don't care about traumatizing people, and which came from human technology.
DL: Sure, that is quite possible. On another subject, there are a lot of people who report witnessing what is often referred to as orbs, balls of light, spheres, that type of thing. And they seem to be related or witnessed in correlation with abductions and sometimes in and around crop circles. Many times they are anywhere from four to twelve inches in diameter and are seen moving about in a manner which seems intelligently guided. What is your personal opinion of what these orbs may be?
SM: Well, this kind of question I can't fully answer, but I think that the types of lights associated with crop circles are probably energy devices that have been programmed by the extraterrestrial artists or originators of the crop circles. Those lights are basically like a drone craft that is programmed in a command center to go out and fly in a certain manner and lay down the crop or to create the design.
I've also talked with people who have reported balls of light appearing in front of them and having a one to one contact. In my understanding, this is usually a positive contact, and that person is probably a Wanderer. Now, it probably has happened that some people have seen these balls of light and been traumatized, or burned, or injured in some way. If so, that would indicate a negative contact.
I'm sure some people may feel that my talk of positive and negative is just reductive, or too simplistic. I'm certainly aware of that kind of criticism. But to me, this whole positive/negative thing is so elementary, yet because people still don't seem to get it, I feel compelled to keep talking about it, although it's a bit tiring to me as well. I'm not trying to make such a big deal of this, but it is an essential point to acknowledge moral polarity among ET groups and human-ET contacts. It is not a trivial matter, in any way.
But we basically have a big problem here on Earth with discernment. I mean, how many people still follow evil deceptive leaders, keep voting for them again and again, and then wonder why there are so many problems in society or why their leaders break their promises? The media gives us the impression that "your leaders love you," and just like little children, most people believe them. Humanity is quite naive.
DL: So regardless of what these balls of light are, whether they are non-physical forms of "beings" that are visiting people, or something else, you are basically saying to trust your experience, in terms of whether it feels like a positive or negative encounter, and that one can intuitively know, that this is not rocket science.
SM: Right. I think that we need to have a basic level of intuitive self-trust. Honestly, it's the most elementary kind of thing. If someone shouts at you, you feel bad, and if someone is kind and caring, you feel good. It's just like that.
Likewise, an ET contact which involves pain, terror, confusion or violation, almost always comes from a negative source. That negative source is not going to change, no matter how much you use the experience for your own self-growth. And no matter how much you want to cooperate or be on equal terms, the negative source isn't likely to change its polarity or its intentions. Negatively oriented ETs do change polarity sometimes, but they don't go abducting humans to do so.
DL: We hear mostly reports of people who have had encounters with what we frequently call "greys". Is it your experience that all "beings" we would describe as "greys" have all the same polarity, that they are all negative, all causing traumatic encounters for individuals? Or, do you find or think it is possible that there are differences, just as there are with similar looking people? Do you feel that some may be more spiritually evolved or assisting, and less self-serving?
SM: I hold out the possibility that there is a variance, that there are several different ET groups with similar morphology and body shape. You can certainly have different races of different polarities, that evolved from a common genetic root. That is definitely possible.
However, positive and negative ETs don't work together on what I would consider genuine abductions which involve pain, terror, and trauma. So if you see two kinds of greys, and one is self-serving and once is nice, they're both self-serving. The positive groups don't collaborate on abductions, I can guarantee you that. Positive ETs don't help negative ETs traumatize people.
Given the possibility that there could be several different groups with similar type "grey morphology," people have to be truly honest with themselves about the nature of their experience. They would need to be discerning in the face of whatever that alien has said to them, which might include nice words to make them feel important, that they are special, or they're needed for this important spiritual mission. These days, you hear the line that "hybridization is essential to save the human race." Honestly, I think this is just a big, fat, lie.
As I said before, I think this is simply giving people a palliative to allow continued abuse, and to justify the trauma. It's a way of mollifying the person's confusion, giving them a red herring to chew on, and makes them feel good about themselves, despite the fact that they're just being taken advantage of. You can see the same kind of deception coming from any corrupt human leader or organization: "your surrender to me is for your own good, and because you are special..."
It seems hard for most people, including, first and foremost, abductees and researchers in the field, to realize that negative ETs are tricky and deceitful and as manipulative as they can be, in the extreme. And nice humans are often naive and don't want a bitter truth.
So, if all these things are taken into consideration, and people are not naive in the analysis of their experiences, or the experiences of others, then we can still hold out the possibility that there are different kinds of greys, and that some of them are positive. But we should just not let ourselves be fooled. There's no value to that.
DL: In your work, are you convinced that you have cases where individuals have been able to stop their negative or unwanted encounters?
SM: Yes, it has happened a couple of times. But mainly it's because they did spiritual practice. I gave them a mantra, such as a traditional Buddhist mantra in Sanskrit or Tibetan. And, they used that mantra with some degree of confidence and faith, and over time, they did open up to their own power. But if people are not willing to first open their heart to the full range of their own feelings, and fully take responsibility, and then engage in serious spiritual practice, then it probably won't terminate on its own. It may stop temporarily, but unless they become truly self-empowered, then they're still vulnerable.
DL: There is a mind-set within the abduction research community that, number one, there is nothing we can do to stop this. And number two, that those who have prayed, or done meditation, and claim that the nature of their experiences seems to have changed or stopped as a result, have been greatly fooled and are simply kidding themselves. It is claimed that the only difference is that they probably are not remembering the experiences, but that they are continuing. So there is this sort of helpless feeling among "experiencers" where they feel there is nothing they can do.
SM: Well, let the buyer beware. The quality of the information you get is based on the quality of the practitioner you go to. Again, it's a very complicated issue, because some people do pray and do meditation, and could certainly continue to have negative contact. As they say, you have to pray "hard enough..."
At the same time, other people do meditation and some kind of spiritual practice, and the abduction experiences do end, or at least they don't recall any more violation. In these cases, I imagine that it really did end, and the person is not fooling themselves. They just don't have that experience any more.
But here's where the practitioner's view comes in -- because if the researcher or professional feels it just cannot be stopped, then that is an additional obstacle for the person to get over. If the researcher believes that it is impossible to terminate it, I would recommend that people leave that practitioner, no matter how famous they are, and no matter how well respected they are in the field.
Because as far as I know, based on my experience and my work with others, as well as the principles of metaphysics and white magic, this kind of negative experience can be terminated. But again, if people want to be disempowered, and they want to feel out of control, that is totally their right...
DL: ...And they want to feel supported in their belief that they cannot control their life....
SM: Right, if they feel that they can't control their life, they're not responsible for this experience, there is nothing they can do, they're only helpless victims -- if this is what they want to believe, well then, more power to them! I would certainly let them continue that way of thinking, if they so choose.
But there is another way, another line of reasoning and experience, based on metaphysical knowledge and spiritual practice, that can shift our overall conditions of body, mind, and spirit, revitalize our energy fields and bring us into greater self-understanding, acceptance, will, and spiritual maturity. And that approach delivers results.
This path, that of taking matters into your own hands through spiritual work on your own self, fosters a shift of energy and a change of consciousness which brings protection, and can lead to becoming invulnerable or non-attractive to negative ET contact.
But again, you need a metaphysical perspective to appreciate that, and if you don't want it that's fine. But in the metaphysical view, you can come to realize that your true self, what can be called Higher Self, is our true essence at a much higher level of being and energy than those negative aliens.
Therefore, the more we make alignment with our true self, the more our energy field becomes sovereign. It is then no longer penetrable or attractive to those beings, who themselves exist at a much weaker level of consciousness. And yet, this is a very deep thing, and not everyone can accept what I'm saying -- but it is in accord with 5000 years of mystic spirituality, East and West.
I've known other practitioners who have been able to affect this kind of change in their clients, so that people don't have these kinds of negative experiences any more. But in all cases, the individual must take a significant amount of responsibility for what they've gone through, and can't remain stuck in blame and self-pity. They must also make some sort of effort at developing themselves spiritually, in whatever way is right for them. But they must activate their WILL.
DL: Any closing thoughts here of anything else you'd like to share?
SM: Well, the pity here, of course, is that ninety percent of the universe is benevolent, and quite beautiful and gracious in terms of their consciousness and their intentions for helping Earth. But due to the weight of millennia of human confusion, self-destructive tendencies, long-held religious conditioning that reinforces self-doubt and self-denial, the abduction phenomenon has taken center stage in our consideration of ET contact.
This has lead to an overemphasis of the role of negative ETs in the cosmic plan. But, I guess it is not surprising, given all the problems with the soul groups on Earth, and the paucity of true spiritual seeking in human society. Many benevolent ET groups feel tremendous pity for this planet, and the souls here who know no better.
Anyway, the antidote to negative ET contact is, of course, just the development of greater self-love and self-appreciation. As always, and through all experiences, we ourselves determine the quality and speed of our own evolution. As we can sever our ties to abusive people, we can also sever our ties to abusive alien groups. In the very near future, they will have absolutely nothing to do with this planet, but till then, I hope people can open their eyes, develop some discernment, and come to realize their own spiritual power sleeping within.
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This interview took place on September 27, 2000.
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